joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same, in your opinion, is there something different going on right now? does any of this surprise you? >> well, so far, what we've seen is the same people who two years ago got in front of tv cameras and said let's make a deal when it was the simpson-bowles proposal, when it was the budget control act, because of the debt ceiling. it's the same collection of people with the same sort of statements. so i don't see any movement towards republicans wanting to raise taxes or people wanting to break their pledge. in fact, to be fair to everybody, some of these people have had impure thoughts. no one has pulled the trigger and voted for a tax increase. >> i know